Thank you for sharing this. I’m going to look into doing more of these and less real estate.
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Less fusspots in commercial too. That can make for a more pleasant experience.
They both took close to a day because I am still learning. For example the Culinary School was a real learning experience for me with all the glass (which I have experience with), the vast amount of stainless (acts like glass or a mirror, and matte black walls that did not seem to give a laser signature unless very close. I also got to the facility and it needed about 2-3 hours of prep that should have been done ahead of time by the client. Fortunately I brought an assistant. Lots of stainless to wipe down because it was coated with disinfectant because of Covid.
The performing arts center also taught me lessons. I covered the entire building in 4+ hours. Same issues with glass and matte black walls but this time I got much closer to the walls to assure the laser would pick them up and then possibly use but more often turn that view off in the actual iGuide. What caught me out was not thinking more about what the drafters needed. For example, there was a really low rail (seemed almost dangerous) on the balcony. This panos captured the whole area, but that low wall that was needed to draft the front of the balcony was not seem at all by the laser. I need up having to put the camera on a super low tripod to get enough info for the drafters. Same for the front of the stage. I of course turned these views off. Seems I am still learning things every time I shoot.
There is another thing I need to keep an eye on. That is to know when it is “good enough” and not over doing it in post production. Coming from the commercial world we always tweaked everything in LR or PS. Planitar offers some great tools very similar to LR which is awesome. I sometimes don’t know when to stop because further work will not even be noticed.
Ken
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When doing large floor areas, how far apart should each pano be from the previous one?
Beautiful work, man.
It’s suggested to be at 10 feet. The Church I did on Tuesday I used 15 feet and it worked out quite well.
A big function of it will be what LiDar can see. Make sure you are getting good reference points between shots.
A little extra time shooting images can really save you when you are putting it all together
Thanks Ken, that was quite a bit of work.
I was struggling to figure out what the first building was, it never occurred to me (Duh!) that it was a Culinary School. That makes a lot of sense now.
With these in your toolkit, you should have no trouble selling some more commercial property.
Because of the scale, you would think you do not need near as many, but as stated above, this is not really the case. The further apart the scans, the less information you can give to the drafting team. So I shoot more panos now then I need to make sure I am not creating havoc for the drafting team - I am sorry to say I must of driven them crazy as I was learning these lessons which is why I am sharing all my mistakes. Maybe it will help others.
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PeterMoly10 - Could not agree more. They actually appreciate the effort and results.
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I posted this on another thread, but this could also be a whole new market (no pun intended) if we can get the feature support.
https://www.inabuggy.com/McEwan-DonMills-Toronto-GTA--Grocery-Delivery--S50
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Hi Kreece,
nice to meet you. the link you shared, did you create that?
if so did you use IGuide?
can we connect?
Hi Peter. There are three or four other people doing iGuides in my city. All of which charge the same as I do and one just upped his prices a large amount and this is why I decided to get into this business. I have most of his clients now that didn’t want to pay his fees because he is so expensive. His photos are the best in town though so I get why he upped his price. If I upped my prices I would not get business. Sadly.
P.s. I do charge $0.09 per sqft above 2500.
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Kassy, I do hope you will have enough margin to make this worth your while.
Definitely branching out to commercial can be a great avenue.
A 0.09/sq foot is a good rate, so that does indeed help.
Best of luck with the business in 2021.
That’s always lots of great support here and the continuing education from the good folks at Planitar is excellent. I like how they keep classes short and on point.
[michal.catari] - I did not create it. Wish I had. My sister is in environmental design and this is one of their clients. It looks like a Matterport to me, but I do not know this for sure. Feel free to reach out.
Thank you everyone for your input. You have chivvied me along to look into the commercial market.
It looks like I’m not a competitor to any of you so if you have any hints and tips of how to get I to this market that would be great
Great thread. Cheers to the fellow Canucks too!! Looking to get into the commercial market myself and inspired with the quality work Ken. How do you quote on commercial space? Billable area charges are always over the estimated sqft in real estate so curious how much buffer is needed to not under estimate larger commercial spaces.
Am I missing something? If $0.10 is what most agents charge and I charge $0.09 why does it seem so low to you then? I charge $250 for properties less than 2500. Price goes up when sqft goes up. On another note I can only charge what the going rate is and be comparable to the competition. Especially because I’ve literally been in business for a couple months that’s it. I don’t think this is too low at all for starting out. It’s $50 more than what you charge for 2500 ft and $71 more than what you charge for 1500 sqft. I’m just confused. I feel like something got lost in translation. I am not a photographer and my photos are not very good so I don’t charge separately for those yet because I need to practice. Others are professionals charging my same rates so i’m on par with the market either way.
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@Kreece, these are some fantastic examples you provided above. Thank you for sharing.
Do you know how your clients are using them?
Could you share any links to where we could see these in the public?
Hello Kevin, I’m sorry its been a while what examples are you referring to?
The Kirkwood community center is used in their social, building and community websites. The Brightwater Culinary School was used on their website, social and on the NWACC.EDU site I believe.
I will be doing another nice one of a 17,000 sq ft design studio in St Louis this weekend. I will be used for their new website and branding launch.
Ken
Hi, Karen. $150 / 2500 sf is $0.06/sf and you’re in CT? In West Hartford, they’re getting $0.15/sf for Matterport dollhouses. And you’re saying you have a competitor that charges less? Does this include the iGuide fees or is that billed separately?
I don’t get the race to the bottom. If you’re good, you should price accordingly, because if you don’t value your work, no one else will either.
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